Episode 104: Atheism to Psychic Medium with Frank Mares
104. Atheism to Psychic Medium with Frank Mares
Frank shares his incredible journey from being a staunch atheist to becoming a psychic medium in this episode. He discusses his transformational experiences, including his father's apparition, mastering meditation, and out-of-body experiences.
Frank also elaborates on concepts of reincarnation, soulmates, and how understanding past lives through psychic techniques has shaped his mission. The conversation delves into the nature of the spirit world, the afterlife, and the importance of soul lessons, all peppered with intriguing anecdotes and philosophical insights on life and death.
TOPICS
00:00 Intro
00:33 Discovering Mediumship
01:12 Atheism
02:21 First Encounter with the Spirit World
04:11 Journey into Meditation and Out-of-Body Experiences
09:19 Exploring Past Lives and Reincarnation
13:45 Connecting with the Spirit World
20:40 Understanding Death and the Afterlife
23:33 Exploring Ghosts and Their Unfinished Business
24:27 Soul Ascension and Haunted Houses
26:17 Consensus Realities and Personal Heavens
28:51 Challenges Living on Earth
34:46 Soulmates and Life Lessons
39:02 Ley Lines and Energetic Grids
39:52 The Duality of Good and Evil
40:26 Concluding Thoughts and Future Plans
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TRANSCRIPT
Frank, welcome to our podcast.
Thank you.
And I know I'm excited because I read your first book called My Journey Down the Reincarnation Highway and I, I think it's amazing. And I like, I felt like the things that I feel are now not as crazy. Now that I know that you're crazy, I'm not feeling so bad that I'm crazy because now there's more crazy people out there that are open about it.
I love it.
Well, that's a good point, Alicia, because if you're open, this is, this is all about opening, opening to the spirit world, opening to the real truth. So you're a medium. I'm a medium. Yeah. It's psychic medium. So there's, there's a difference. Psychic. They can read your aura. They could pick up messages that you're supposed to get.
They could see your past, all this stuff. I don't get that. I'm a psychic medium, which allows me to connect to the other side so that. I get my well for my purpose. It's to get my instructions. All right, so i'm down here on a mission And so they guide me to the spirits the spirits. Yeah,
how did you get into this world?
So you mentioned you were a businessman. Yeah, typically businessman an atheist. Okay. How did you get into all of
this? I was well, I was supposed to come in this world as an atheist So as brenda told me she goes you were you were so far away from god And so your mission was to be far away from god and then to find god You And actually, what was nice about being an atheist is that I was not, I was not influenced by standard religion, all right?
I didn't have any of that, so I came to this pure. And so, I'm sorry, what was the question? I forgot the
question. Well, you came into this world as an atheist. And Brenda mentioned that you, that was your life's purpose, your life's plan was to come and
sort of Right, as an atheist. And so And so I was always a show me guy, you know, and so like, like in the first book, I said, well, you know, I, I didn't believe in a God because how could a God allow
bad things to happen, bad things to happen?
You know, that doesn't make sense. You know, once again, using the Christian point of view, you know, it's like, okay, that's, that's how it goes. You know, there's a conflict with Christianity. It has to be a loving God do that. Well, but then I found out the answer to that, you know, and, and so, But it all started when I was very close to my dad.
He dies of pancreatic cancer and four months later His ghost appears to me in my garage
How did the ghost appear to you saw it or you felt the ghost or saw
it his face Wow It was overlaid in the face of my son Brian who now my dad is one of my soulmates He's from my soul group. My son Brian is from So I always saw the quirky similarities between Brian and my dad.
And so, and so when I was, Brian was young then, he was like three or four years old, two or three, and I was putting him in his car seat. And I'm looking at it and my dad's face appears over his. Oh, my God, you know, it's like, it's just the first second, but scared the hell out of me. And I, I told my, my wife at the time, you know, and she goes, wow, that's really weird.
That started the process. And I, and, and so I was grieving for my father and I, and I said, you know, he did some great things in his life. And so he's gone. And that doesn't make sense. I said, so I, so I have to do this one last try, you know, cause I was like close to 50 and I, you know, I was injured, you know.
Towards more towards the end than the beginning. I said, I gotta find out if there really is an afterlife, but I'm a show me guy How do I do that? Well, and then it was I said the only way to do that is if you could be out of your body There it is proof right proof You could if your consciousness can be out of your body then therefore you could be a spirit then you can be in heaven Right.
I said well That's it. I said, so I have to try to go out of body. Did I think I'd go out of body? Oh yeah, no. No way. But I gave it a try. So I researched out of, you know, how to go out of body. And so, okay, meditation's involved and there's all kinds of this and that. So I started meditation practice. I was good at it.
I fell right into it.
You're, you're unique. You know, I try to meditate and I'm like, damn it, I can't do this. It's my mind, you know, I always want to like step a few steps ahead. I'm monitoring. What am I doing? How am I doing it? You know, that's the wrong, the wrong thing to
do. I'll give you a little tip.
I'll give you a little tip later. I was able to start to clear my mind. And actually the technique I would use is that, you know, you're always bombarded with thoughts, right? That's what interferes with things. So I just. Imagine the thought that would come at me as a tennis ball. I would take the tennis ball in my mind and throw it away.
Out! Throw it. And so the, and so it would like bounce off a wall and it would come back, right? And I'd say, out! Out! In
the window,
out. Well, but the more I would do that, it would come back slower and slower and slower until finally it stayed away. And then I had, and then once I achieved that, And I was on the fast track.
I mean, they had me on the fast track. Then I felt my third eye opening. I felt this pressure in my eye and I go, wow, I just went with it. And then as I did it more and more, then my crown chakra opened up and then it's like the, the internet upstairs opened up and then the downloads, you know, it came and then they, you know, and so then the, the first psychic experience I had was, oh wait, the out of body came first.
All right. So I, I got good at meditation. I meditated. Then I went to bed. And then I had a dream. Dreams are, you know, dreams are when your consciousness actually goes to heaven, okay? You're up there. You're on the fifth dimension, okay? And so you're there briefly. And it's there that you sort of take advantage of heaven.
You could manifest anything. That's what your dream is. You're in your own little dream world. You're manifesting an experience uh, so I'm i'm in this dream. I'm in a my bathtub And it's a bigger bathtub and i'm reading okay and in and in the story this book i'm reading the child dies The parents are all upset and I go.
Well, that's okay. I said The parents will see the child again in heaven and I stop myself I go wait a minute You're an atheist How could you say such a thing and just then? As soon as I thought that something grabbed me underneath my arm or underarms the bathtub. Well, nothing ever touched me in a dream Well, there's something touching me Stands me up in the bathtub.
What the hell is this? And then it throws me Through the ceiling and I see the Joyce in the attic above me as I'm flying like a rocket right through the ceiling right out my roof and I'm 150 feet above my house looking down the bedroom. Like what the heck is this? And I look up the stars are so beautiful.
I've never seen stars so beautiful. And and then I don't know if you remember the. You probably didn't because you didn't grow up in this country. Did you? Okay, so there's this roadrunner
Well,
okay there was there's this cartoon called Roadrunner I think I would see
that though The
coyote would would chase a road roadrunner so hard that he would fly or you know run over this cliff And he would still be running Over the air and he falls right what's a thing happen to me and I fall back in my bed Oh my god, you know, well, I had my out of my experience.
I asked the universe
Give me the out of body experience, and there you go. You had to prove it? Yeah.
And then I knew, hey. Yeah. All right, there's something here, right?
Did you smoke anything
before bed? Oh, no. Just joking. No, no, nothing like that. Nothing like that. That's an
interesting topic, though. I wonder if that, how drugs affect it.
Because some people feel like it, It happens more frequently. It can bring them closer or away. Right, right. It does.
I mean, it does open things, except it
eventually costs
something. It hurts your vibration, too, so it's some good, some bad, so. Repercussions. No, no, no, repercussions. It's just, I don't know, it's like when Danny and I do our work, you know, they tell Danny, don't, don't, don't.
You know, don't drink your beer.
Only
after we get our work done.
Yeah.
So you have to be able to have a high vibration. But sometimes drugs, you know, or beer or whatever, will open it up for you if that's your time to open. They'll use anything to deliver what you're supposed to deliver. So after the out of body experience, like a week or two later, I'm at my desk.
I own, I own, I actually still own a company, half of my ex wife, but I'm out of the company now, but I still collect the benefits from it. But at the time, so I was working at my, at home, and I was just meditating at my desk in the morning. And, oh, let me take a backtrack a little bit. I always had this obsession about World War II.
And as a boy, I'd always be fascinated by the Germans. I don't come from a German background, but I always thought they were pretty cool. You know, don't ask me, I'd watch these World War II shows, but I had this attraction to these guys. So much so that when the company got successful, I started buying German weaponry from World War II.
I had
no idea. It's
gotta be haunted. No, it wasn't haunted. Well, some of them were.
Yeah.
Yeah, because sometimes I would, some of the psychics I work with would say, hey, there's blood on that gun, because it came from the war. You know, so they could see the experiences that went behind it. So, yeah, so it wasn't haunted, but it did have experience, it did have a history.
So you always had obsessions or interests that
Yeah. Later. Yeah. Manifest. And so all of you might have obsessions and that kind of, it's an echo of a past life thing. So, uh, I'm just meditating on my desk and all of a sudden my head starts doing this, shaking up and down. Yes. And then like this. No. And then yes.
What the hell's going on here? I'm not moving my head. And so I go, are you saying.
You're just talking now. Out loud. Are you
saying yes or no? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. What the hell is this? Okay.
So you felt like you were not directing your head to make that motion. You felt like that was.
That's clairsentience.
Sure. That's, that's, that's your body moving. Oh, okay. Can I ask questions?
Yes. Yes. Mm hmm.
All right. Well, two, two rooms over in the basement, I had the World War II gun collection. I go, Oh, cause I was reading about reincarnation, about these people remembering things. And I said, was I a German soldier in World War II?
Yes. Well, and being like a historian of World War II, I, I, I said, was I on the Western front, on the Eastern front?
Yes. I
said, Southern front, Central front, Northern front. Oh God. So you, you went through a series of questions to get to your answer. Yeah. So that was, that was the ability. I couldn't hear, couldn't see, but if you knew the questions to ask, you could, if you just know questions, you could hone in on things.
Mm hmm.
And so then I start playing, you know, Wheel of Fortune, you know. Yeah. Okay. So I said, okay, so it's a binary system, communication system. I just go, okay, well, what did I die? I said, 1944. No, I said 1949. No, 40, 40, but 44.
Okay.
I was able to get my date of my death. All right. And so I was able to get all this stuff.
It's crude. It was effective, right? But the validity thing was, I said, well, what division was I in? The 11th? was my regiment, the 23rd, and so I did some research.
And you found that that information was in fact accurate.
Yeah, because the 23rd regiment did belong to 11th division. That was the 11th Prussian Infantry Division, an elite unit.
And so I found out what my hometown was. Mandolin, which was a suburb of
Koenigsberg,
now Kaliningrad, because it was lost to the Russians. And so Mandolin was in the recruit, the Germans would recruit divisions geographically, so.
So you kind of used almost like a detective work system.
Oh yeah. To find out.
The analytical, the validation is really important. You know, it's like you get messages, but hey, you don't prove it. So, there it was. So, Mandolin was a recruiting area for the 11th Infantry Division, and then I was able to read about that, and then through, and then I got involved in psychic training through Brenda Fasani.
And Brenda is, I understand, in Westerville? Yeah, she's in Westerville. Yeah, Mystic
Nirvana, yeah. But when I first met her, she was running this, this, this Psychic or this, uh, meditation group, which is also psychic training. And that's how I fell into that. Cause I was looking for a meditation group. I go there because I was meant to go there.
I did not, I found it through meetup. com. And so we do this meditation. That was great. Big group meditation, you know, a lot of power to it. And she goes, okay, now it's, it's, it's like a classic. What? Sign up for that. It's like, okay. So it's like, so we practiced mind reading. I go, oh yeah, right. I'm going to do this.
Right. Yeah. And all I could do is just yes's and no's, but I was able to, yes and no, read this woman's mind and find out what's going on with her, so it blew me away, right? And then, and then as I got more and more involved in class, I mean, she would have like this little social hour after the class and she was talking about connecting one of her clients to her, to her deceased parent.
And I go, my dad just died a year ago. I said, well, or a couple of years ago. I go, can you connect me to my dad? Yeah, so I made a point with her and I was able to connect my dad and so it was kind of like I'm able to speak out in the room, my dad would hear me and he would answer through Brenda. And so, and it was my dad, because my dad has certain quirks and idiosyncrasies.
So there
were, there was information provided that maybe only your dad would know. Oh, absolutely. That's how you confirmed. Yeah,
and actually the, the biggest validation. That's why I say that people go psychics. Okay, it's like, okay, if you want to know if it's true, ask for a validation, get a validation.
It's true. If it's not, you know, okay, but the validation is, is, you know, my dad died of cancer and I asked him, Hey, did you take that herb? I mean, he was taking this herb that we, we found for him, this STAC and it really helped him. But then he lasted for three years of pancreatic cancer and did well. And then all of a sudden he, he went fast and I said, did you stop taking it?
He goes, well, I don't know about that stuff, but I take that stuff. Those vitamins that you have in your bedroom closet, you know, the green bottle with the pink flowers on it. Brenda's never been in my closet. Right. She wouldn't know about that. Right. But there was a bottle of vitamins. And
you know, and the funny thing about all of this is that I think if someone is not open to the spirit world or to the, To information, to getting information that way, they will always poke holes in whatever the information it is that you're getting.
So even if you tell someone, yeah, I got this validation and that validation, someone is always going to poke holes in it. Absolutely. So, but it's, it's amazing the amount of, I mean, you're booked. Talks all about it. You know, it's, it's amazing how much information you were able to, to get.
Oh, that was just the start of it.
Yeah. Because it's like three books later. How
many, uh, lives were you able to track down that you lived before?
I know 40 of them. 40? 40. Yeah, I lived 125. At least, but the 40 I know bits and pieces of. Most of them aren't good. I'm a bad guy.
I, you know, and I wonder about that too. I, you know, you mentioned that you're a bad guy.
I think, I think there must be about equal amounts of lives that are kind of good or neutral and then kind of bad. I think that goes for everybody, right?
All right. Well, let me ask you a question. Yeah. Why would someone volunteer to be a bad guy in a life? Karma? I don't know. No. Karma is a different thing, which is big with me.
I had to pay a big karma price. It's because this is a simulation down here. All right. So we all play a part. It's like a play. So in order to learn lessons, you have to go through hard situations. Tests. Yes. Yeah. You have to have abusive father, or you have to have abusive husband, or you have to
Go through grief of someone passing away.
Exactly. But, but, but you need bad guys to cause difficulties.
So you're saying we need Putins out there? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah, absolutely. You need Hitlers, you need Putins. Hitler volunteered for that job. And I'll give you an example. Alright, so Hitler actually helped my spiritual growth. You see such a thing, right?
Well, it's true, bad things sometimes make your soul grow, so.
Exactly. So the specific thing that Hitler, well, not directly did for me, but okay, so he gets in a war with Russia, right? Now my soul, I was a nobleman many times, but I suffered from a self esteem problem, all right? So I didn't feel good about myself.
So the only way to make up for that was to have power. Our money and all that stuff, right? And, and, and to, and to get it, you have to steal or use force, you know, and all non, non spiritual, you know, non, non things of the light, shall we say. So, so I spent lives. So, um, I was working on this self esteem, but self esteem is all souls work on, this is just part of the course, right?
So, my self esteem, well, big turnaround on my self esteem when I was a sergeant in World War II as a German sergeant. And so, the spirits told me that you never led, or you would, you would not lead your followers to the good. Alright, that was my problem. So, in World War II, I did, so. It was January 1944, we're in Leningrad, and the Russians launch a big offensive, all right, and now they, now the strength's on the side of the Russians, and we're being pushed back, and so whole army's in retreat, and so they put our unit out there to hold the Russians off, while the rest of them retreated to safety.
So, We got surrounded, or we got bypassed, okay, overrun. And so I, I'm a young sergeant, 22, 23 years old. I have, you know, 20 men with me that are relying upon me, and we're behind enemy lines. And we're being pursued, chased, and it's cold. It's January. Right. Leningrad.
You know, the fascinating thing about it is that it would be a completely new approach to learn about history.
Because if people could remember some of their past lives, that brings such new, it's almost like you make history alive.
Oh, yeah. Except one thing. I'm not, I have to get the information from other psychics because in this life, that that's why they, I only have a limited ability. I get yeses and nos, I get occasional visions, I can ask questions and they'll play rock songs for me and I can Google the lyrics.
That works out really good. Sure. Yeah. But I don't get detail and they force me to work with other psychics and other people or to do hypnoregressions in order to get information and it's on purpose. So that I would work with the people that I'm supposed to meet and go on with. So. Team effort. Yeah, it's a team effort.
So because if I had all the powers. Then you wouldn't be learning anything. Well, I wouldn't be meeting the people I'm supposed to meet. Right. But, but the point was, is that I, I got my men home or. In
World War II when you were in that battle.
Yeah, we got, we, we, we, it was really tough, but I led my men home.
And so. There was the opportunity. I was able to finally lead my men to the good. To the
good.
Yeah. So.
So, so all of your experiences and how do you view death now? Because so many people are afraid of death. So many people are grief stricken. They, they grieve because somebody passed away.
Yeah.
How do you view differently, you know, death?
Death is, is just a, there is no death, there is no death, and the universe is really defined by string theory. All right. There's really scientific background to all this. String theory has 11 dimensions, all right, and it matches perfectly with the universe that we're in. All right. All right. The first three dimensions, up, down, sideway, whatever it is, you know, 3D, 3D, right?
The earth, right? That's the first three. All right. Then there's the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension is where you pop out. That's where I popped out when I went out of body. I was actually in the fourth dimension. All right, when you die you pop out of your body. You're in the fourth dimension and that's where the white light appears White light is a vortex that takes you to the next level the fifth and the fifth is the first level of heaven And then it's a meritocracy.
Then you have to earn your way up to the other levels. And as they tell me, rank have its privileges. So the higher you get, the more you get, the more love you get from God, the more things you can do. It's all
conditional? Ah! All conditional? It's not conditional at all. It's a
meritocracy. You have to earn.
I mean, it's like you can't sit on your butt. Yeah. I mean, you can't. You gotta work for it, huh? Yeah, you have to work for it. Yeah, I mean, you can. Except you get what you put into it. Can you
go the other way? Can you go to hell? That's what you're saying?
Yeah. There is no hell.
That's what a lot of books say.
So Earth is the lowest? Probably, yeah.
Earth is kind of like, you want hell? You got it, baby. Some people live in hell here, yeah. There is no hell. Because God loves you. You are a part of God.
I, I, I liked how you said in your book, something about astral travel, and then people were cautioning you against the ghosts and the world of the spirit.
And you were like, yeah, whatever, you know, I've been through a lot of difficult things in my life. The spirit world doesn't scare me. And I'm, I'm with you on that, because I'm always like, you know what? I'm not scared of the spirits. I'm scared of people. Well done. The spirits, not so much. I'm fine.
No, spirits
love you.
Yeah.
There's all love. We're all connected. So once you cross that line, you're loved. There's nothing to be afraid of. Okay. Now what people confuse are mischievous ghosts in the 4D. All right. Now those are ones that don't want to go along with the program. Okay. They
don't want to go into the vortex, into the light.
They don't. Why? Why, why, why?
All right. Well, this is goes back to mental health. Hey, save me back to you. Hey,
we can save ghosts. We should be Ghostbusters.
Actually, that's part of my mission. Okay. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry.
No, you're good. So, so why do you think they don't? Because that is kind of a question I have.
Like, why do these entities, people, they used to be people. Is it unfinished business? Is it that they are still like trying to help somebody they love? Or is it they're just so used to their routine and they just keep doing the same bullshit?
You got, you got it. You got it. Okay. Or, they're deeply alcoholic.
Mm hmm. You know, they'll, they'll, they'll die, and, and they don't want to go in the light, and, and, and They will
just be miserable here, and they don't want to move on?
Well, what they do, is they go to bars, and they just pick up the vibe of people drinking.
Why wouldn't they want to go to, to, to eternal love?
Well, well,
here's now good. That's a very question.
Do they not know? Are they like just kind of like in amnesia completely
a lot in my work? All right. I work a lot with soul ascension. So I actually get to talk to ghosts and so Now, Danny and I do this together. Alright, like I said, I can't see or hear you on the other side, but I'm with Danny.
You know, we do this mental thing. We go visit what you call haunted houses, mentally. Anywhere in the world, we go. I just use the internet, okay? What's the top haunted house in Ohio? Right. Or New York, wherever. Let's do it. Right. Let's do it. We go there, okay? Now, Danny just wants to get down to business, but I want to hear their story.
I'm like you, I'm, you know, not a counselor, but I loved hearing stories. Yes. Yeah,
people.
Oh, story. The stories. People are like books. Oh, they are. Yeah. Amazing. I love it. Why are you here? I didn't know. And that's the thing, you make your own heaven, you have your free will, if you,
unless you, you read your book and you talk about the Adjustment Bureau and then it's like the free will doesn't exist, but how many
lives, how many lives did it take me to get to that point?
Right.
A hundred twenty five. A hundred twenty five. A hundred twenty five. Well, whatever. Sorry, I couldn't remember. To reach this point, I had to go through a
lot of training to get to this point. These people are younger souls, all right?
So they may not have as much free will. They have to go through some tasks.
Oh,
everybody's got free will. You got free will, and that is so respected. They, that is a cardinal rule, golden rule. They will not tramp on your free will. You get the heaven. You get the hell. The what you want. So if you don't think there's a heaven,
you're not gonna get to heaven when you, you're
gonna get to heaven.
That's what my sister believes. She's very much like, whatever you think is what, that's what's gonna happen right after. That's exactly it. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, now I'm
going, I'll go off on tangent, but Oh
yeah. No, it's fine. Let's go off. Go whatever we, I love this. Yeah.
There is in heaven on the fifth level what's called consensus realities.
Alright, so I trained at the Monroe Institute, brought a body, but I got a lot of good training there. That was so important going to Monroe Institute. Do you know Bob Monroe? He's a, he's, he is the, he was a pioneer out of body and he was an engineer. So he got into this from an engineering mind. How's this work?
Yeah.
I'll just work and he would learn how to flip into the fourth dimension and then get flip into the fifth I mean that's so hard to do i've never been to the fifth but fourth Yeah, so bob passed away a number of years ago, but I trained under bill bueman And so bill I think is his successor. So bill would go to the fifth dimension He would visit different places interact and he had amazing stories Well, Bill was the first to, to educate me about consensus realities.
So you get your own heaven. And so if you are a very strong Catholic, when you die, you're going automatically to a Catholic consensus reality. Seriously.
So you're going to get hell? No,
no, no, no. You're going to hell. Or heaven?
The middle thing. What's it called?
No, it's not purgatory. No? Oh, it's wonderful.
Oh, it's wonderful. It's loving. Okay. It's a wonderful town. It's got a church at every corner. Go to mass every day.
Okay, so basically kind of life continues as
Yes,
okay
as you expect it now if you are a Devout muslim fundamentalist, then you will go get that. Okay, it gets down to the point of even political.
See It's not just religious I ran into some woke politicians who've passed. They're in their own woke, woke reality. That's their heaven.
So, when does consensus reality, that's before you transition to heaven, or?
No, that is their heaven.
Oh, okay, I see. It's like
a separate, as Jesus said.
So what if you're open to anything, like what would happen then?
Then
the world, the universe is your oyster. Sure. You get anything you want. Anything.
Can it change? But, but so what is reality? Is there any reality whatsoever? Or is it on the spirit world? Reality is what you make it. It's whatever you make it. Whatever you make it. Interesting. Then there's no reality. I feel
like here we're just like, I don't know.
Well, you know something? Here, here is a little different. Yeah.
Well, yeah, this is a training area.
Yeah.
This is the hardest training area in the universe. The hardest.
Is this the boot camp?
Oh, this is the hard, this is the special forces boot camp. I, I
failed my first boot camp in the army. So, yeah. Yeah.
Some of the It wasn't as
hard as what you're doing now.
That was a piece of cake compared to this. Yeah. I mean, not this interview, but just in general.
No, I mean, if you come here, you're a brave soul. Many souls will never come here because it's too hard. Oh, so you have a choice. Oh, absolutely. You can feel good about that.
There's, there's alien, there's alien worlds. I was going to ask. And they have souls. Sure. And they go there, and they, that's where they, that's where they do their training is these alien worlds. But it's so much easier.
Because they probably have, are more developed. So they probably don't have as much hate or as much like wars or something.
Yeah. Exactly. Absolutely. Or sometimes. No car
crashes there.
I'm like, I don't know if i'm coming back to this dump ever again. Well,
you know something I said that I got chewed out By
the spirit world.
Oh, yeah, that was
well, what can you do when you feel that way? I mean, there's just too much anger in this world too much.
Hate too much. Whatever. Yeah It's like I don't want to feel that I don't feel good. I want to feel love.
Well, except one thing That's not why you're here. Damn it. You're up there to feel low. That's what you're not used to You're down here to train
Yeah, I guess. But there are moments of good. There are moments of good, yeah.
Few and far between, though.
Right. You have to like, create it, sort of. You have to really lean into it. It takes effort to be positive and happy and
Oh,
yeah. It's much easier to just complain. Oh, yeah.
As a matter of fact, that's a common thing of opening. You open for the first time and you, I don't want to be here.
I don't want to be here. I'm not ever
coming back here. And so me and my mom talk about it all the time. We're like, damn it. We're not coming back here again. Yeah. Well, my mom is like, I don't want to repeat this shitty life again.
Well, you got to complete the, complete the lesson and then you get to go on.
But, yeah, the first time I did that was when I went to a channeling session, my first channeling session, with Chief Shem. There was a consultant who, his mom channeled this Indian chief, and then when she died, and this Indian chief went to him, then he started channeling him, and so, that was the first time I ran into a channel.
And so I was able to talk to him. And I said, I'm not coming back here. And he goes, you can't say that. That's decided up there. That's a what? He says, you can't say that. You can't decide that down here. That is decided up here.
Well, but what if you like really put your foot down over here? And you're like, yeah, I'll finish this test.
But I don't want to do this again. Simple
thing. Your perceptive changes once you get back.
Yeah, I know, right?
Because
it's like a dream, like when we have dreams and then we wake up and we're like, we totally are unaffected by the dream. So it's like, you just forget that it even happened. It's like so inconsequential.
It's so Well, it's inconsequential, but it's like, hey, I
It's
like a, it's like a Yeah. It's just
like a dream. It's just like going, taking a nap and then you're waking up. That's what I told
my mom. And then she's like, damn it! I don't want to come back again. I'm like, I know. It reminds me
of when people have babies, like when they're, when you're giving birth, you're in so much pain, you're like, Oh God, I'm going to kill somebody.
And then as soon as you see the baby, it's like, that wasn't that bad. Yeah. Okay. You were going to have more now. Stab your husband.
Great analogy. Wonderful analogy. That's so super. That's how
I think about
it.
That's great. You got it. You got it.
Frank knows about all the, all about babies and, and how women feel after they deliver and how they, well, you talked about how your wife got completely kind of like shut down and, and colder over the years when you had babies.
Yeah.
She, yeah. She never, she never buried those kids.
Right. No, I meant like just how women can get, you know, just,
well, once again, that
was
part of the plan,
right?
You were
not supposed to experience all the affection and the love because you were working on your self esteem.
Oh, that was for the first wife.
The second wife, I was supposed to be free. Completely free to then complete my mission down here, move on to my mission. In order to do that, I had to be free of her.
Mm hmm.
And to be free of her, they sent a lover from my past in to lure me out of that marriage. No. I'm not Brenda. I'm sorry. Megan. Megan, yeah.
I'm sorry. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah, Megan. Yeah, and so they brought her in and she was the only one that would, had enough, you know, I had enough emotion to do that. But once Megan got me out of my marriage, then she disappeared.
Damn it. Are you guys still going round and round or is that all completed and just?
Okay. I mean, I, I mean, yeah, that's, that's done because Such
a love story,
you know. Well, but it was, but she's always been like that. I mean, we never Could never commit to one another. It seems like Well, I always tried. I always chasedshe calls it cat and mouse or, you know. Yeah. Yeah. So we, we were never in a formal, serious relationship with each other.
We were always lovers. Not
official relationship. Never official. Never like married or engaged or anything like that. We were always
lovers. Yeah. Always lovers. But that
goes back to your past lives where you guys were also seems like a lot of the time just lovers. Just lovers. That's it. Always having some type of affair or not affair, but just kind of, yeah,
yeah, yeah.
So, but I was supposed to be free so I could finally go to Southeast Florida and find three of my
soulmates,
which then led me to my current mission.
So how many soulmates do we have in life? Because, you know, everybody always asks that. Typically you
have 20.
20?!
Oh
yeah. We need a big sex hookup party with all the 20.
Whoa, that's, wait a minute. You read soulmates. What is my message of soulmates?
I was going to ask. Because soulmates sound like it's more the people in your soul group. Bingo! Like the people you come here with.
Because people always think soulmate is that one person they're supposed to be with for the rest of their life.
And that's what I fight in that book is that that is not true. I said, if you see your soulmate coming, run.
No, I think I'm with you. Not, not maybe as I think sometimes you have to run other times. It's soulmate to me just means like you're learning something and that person will facilitate that growth.
Sometimes they stay with you for a long time. Sometimes a short time.
Most of the time, short times. Yeah. It's rare. It's rare because they're just because
there's what do you think there's no growth once they stay together. Yeah, exactly. Okay.
Okay. All right, because once you're with your soulmate romantically,
yeah, there's no
no, there's great.
It's magnetism. Yeah, the sexual traction and chemistry is fantastic. I mean, You're finding the love that you lost in heaven, right? But you're supposed to have that down here. Well, why
not? We then we
just talk
about that. It's possible to feel sometimes that
sometimes not all the time, but all you want all the time.
Go home. You're down here for lessons. You're down here for this is hard down here. It sucks. Well, maybe if it
wasn't
so hard, people
would want to come here.
And, and now it's like all kinds of souls want to come here because you. You know why? Because you get advancement, you get the higher levels, you get promotions.
Promotions don't come easy. They don't come easy.
It's like a big corporate structure. It does sound like a big
corporate structure. They say, well, you know. There's no hierarchy, I
think, you know what, I think this is the, this is the reason why it sounds to us like that. Our brain will always try to make sense out of whatever it is we're trying to understand.
It's like explaining to a dog a concept that the dog is like. The dog has the brain it has, it's not going to understand some complicated, you know.
You know something, you're right. I mean, it's like, you know, when I'm in communication with them, they kind of take that attitude. They want to, I shouldn't say that attitude, but it's like, you get orders, they expect you to follow orders.
Right. And I say, okay, well, I want to know, I want to know why. Not that I'll follow orders, I'll do it. But tell me what the mission is and so I can get full buy in and I'll do it better. So I
kind of don't like the orders though because sometimes I feel like I get pressure sometimes like I feel like I have to do something.
If I won't do it, I feel the nagging. Like it's just like a nagging feeling. You have to go complete whatever it is. But sometimes you do it and then like I will be embarrassed later because it doesn't work the way that I would think it should. So then I guess then I feel like,
but maybe it's supposed to work that way.
Right? I know. I'd love to ask about aliens because we briefly brought it up and then we didn't.
Um,
what's your experience with, with aliens? I know it's a hot topic right now. Everyone's saying they're seeing them. They're coming around more. I'm hearing all these things online. Oh
yeah.
Is that something that
I
bet?
I mean, I was always open to it. Like as a kid, my dad always, we watched star wars together. We watched star Trek and. My dad and I always talked about the universe and he was of the mindset of you just, how could you know, you know, you don't know until I guess you see something, but we are, I was just always open to it.
So I'm curious, do people have, do people remember their past lives as aliens or just not? No, I
know some. Yeah. Yeah. Um, what's her name? Nance, I forget her name. She had several out of body experiences. I forgot her name. Nancy. Anyway, she wrote a couple books.
Nancy
Pelosi. No, not Nancy Pelosi. No, she's in town here.
Columbus. Columbus.
That's a lot of psychics you said. That's what I'm hearing. Oh, no.
Well, there's a reason for that, too.
Geography.
Well, actually it is. There are ones, you know, they tell me this stuff when they first tell me it's like, and I'm always skeptical. Yeah. Right. Come on. But anyway, there's something called ley lines.
Oh
yeah. What are ley lines? Ley
lines are an energetic grid. All right. I mean, everything's energy in the universe. I mean, even this desk is energy. It's just to create this. This world, and we all created by the way, we all manifest together as souls, so, but there's ley lines, like grids. And so it's
like matrix.
Yeah. This is the matrix. Yeah. This is the matrix. And so we're on an intersection of two major ley lines here, and so we, they put a lot of psychics here to, or open people here to protect these ley lines because there is evil in the world, there is a dark force. Hey, it's duality.
We said, we said it's all God, so why, why, why are we saying now that it has to be evil?
Oh, that's a, that's a great segue. We'll bounce back to aliens. Okay. It's all part of this. Because when you're in heaven, well, okay, we're
darkness and light
bingo to have contrast Ying and yang exactly because you would appreciate the light if you didn't know the dark,
but what if so evil? It's not evil.
It's all god. Anyway
bingo Yeah. That's exactly it. You're supposed to judge.
It's a big play. It's a big play. Exactly. Yes. We really appreciated the interview with you.
Oh, I loved it.
And yeah, Frank is full of lots and lots of stories. So we're gonna, we're going to invite you probably back here again if you graciously agree with us.
Absolutely. It was lots of fun.
And then at the end, we just kind of like continue laughing like this, like. Like, we just had such a great time.
This is her new thing. She wants to do a fake laugh at the end of every episode. And then she wants me to fade it out.
It's crazy and stupid, but it's fun.
So, it sounds like you want to merge.
